I've never encountered with hate posts towards Eric, nor I've ever seen him post anything on the forum. I only remember Scawen making the improved UFR interior and not sure if correct the interior mirror for road cars when all the interiors were being updated, a while ago.

It was simply said that the rest wasn't done or something of that sort and that FZR/FXR/RB4 and all the other that haven't been updated simply hadn't been updated yet. Now, what really boggles me is that this project of interior update for S2 is just left unfinished for years. It feels completely independent of many things. It feels as if it's not years of work. It feels it can be done if there is will, in a very reasonable period. And it looks sensable to be released before the S3 is released obviously.

However, combined with posts about Eric and his troubles with community to say the least about that situation simply makes you conclude that he is a very negative state of mind towards making anything positive for the same people who caused those negative feelings within himself. Combined this with supposed agreement that no content will be released before physics are updated and it's a stalled situation we have on car interior updates for years. We need to see that a few updates to interior models don't make much to improve sales of S2 and that this would simply be for the current S2 community. It feels very sad to say that we might have pushed him away from completing that project.

I can't apologize for people who might have caused this and just make it all better like that. Still, there should be a way to turn this around and finish at least this little part of project. I know you guys aren't making this for marketing, you never have and perhaps never will. On that note it's easy to see why there sometimes comes all the shitstorm from impatient people, because there simply isn't marketing and they have nothing to rely on other than their opinion as they're rarely familiar with what's really going on. It's quite obvious why there isn't things like development blog. You don't have a simple marketing strategy to start with, so why some people thing there could even be a blog about the whole thing is beyond reason.

I'm sure Eric you do want to feel that sense of accomplishment again and again and again. Surely, you're not working on this for money as your primary motive. You're the only one who can turn the things around for your part of the project. You don't have to like or hate the sort of attention that community gives you to enjoy your own thing. Just look deep down within yourself and you'll find your drive. If you need anything to confirm this just look at Kimi Raikkonen and the way he has handled situation such as that times and times over and over again to enjoy his own thing. Actions reach far wider distances than the words ever can do.

I'm quite convinced that RedBull will have second to none issues with tires in Monaco.

http://f1pulse.com/news/201305 ... -fast--furious-movie-role

Oh I'd love to see that badboy racing without a helmet too.

I'd much rather see them in orange.

Quote from Mustafur :

and DRS would need to go.

No, DRS is perfect. Long live DRS.

Good luck buddy.

I don't know. Everyone defines pushing differently and racing differently. It's obvious that the racing has slightly changed. The direction it has taken years ago, for me as a spectator is good. The only thing I noticed is that it has now reached it's limit of that direction. Some may think that it has to go step back, others may think that would be unfair. The only thing that I was trying to point out is that drivers still have to push when they are racing, although we all think of the term pushing differently. At least they have to put the same or even more effort to the race, concentration, their craft, piloting the vehicle and everything that goes with that.

I personally am delighted with all the provocative strategies that this era provides us with. And I certainly do not see it as the purely strategizing game where pushing has nothing to do with it. This is very difficult to show for some reason. However it is what it is.

P.S. More pushing doesn't necessarily result in faster laptime. You can probably verify that for yourself in LFS thru varios stages of your tire cycle during the race, during the battle with others or simply when you're alone during your concentration.

Quote from PhilS13 :

Onboards can be misleading. Laptimes don't lie.

I never said how great the tires are. Or how fast the cars are on those tires. I'm just saying that drivers are pushing 100%. Some are pushing even more. I tell you, take a look onboard and you'll see for yourself. Not all of the drivers were pushing. Rosberg was on margin of not pushing, but he did push slightly. Webber was slightly cautions with throttle, whilst Vettel was pushing everywhere, using all sort of lines to adopt to situation and obviously he did better still. Hamilton was the only one who was really taking it easy and we saw how it payed off, or how it didn't. Ferrari was razor sharp and Kimi has adjusted his style for perfect Prosting. Torro Rosso, or Ricciardo was also racing normally as well as were Button and Perez. Just as well was di Resta. So, pretty much all of the drivers were pushing their cars.

What you're talking about is something completely different, where some driver are on different strategy of number of stops where common sense prevails of not defending like pretty much noone ever defended in 80's with defensive lines. Still, this is not majority of case and this is of none concern. It gives a nice new way to the race with everything else that we already have.

You should take a look at onboards a little bit and see how drivers are not pushing mate.

What's really interesting is how when Ferrari was a lap down because of tire degradation when RedBull won with 4 stops, there was no whining. Ferrari simply said we need to improve our car and so they did.

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A lot of more sensible forum posts here lately and a very nicely put words together from Ferrari giving very clear opinion of situation here : http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/107461

RBR should really be ashamed of themselves, especially after all that Malaysia saga, now all this outbursts from team-bosses that contradict their past. Can't really say I'd like to see them to their senses, I've always been against them anyway and their way of exploiting everything in their way.

From Barcelona race onboard you can clearly see that RBR lacks grip in high-speed corners, the front end lacks it and I'd dare to say that their flappy front wing might be having more issues than their tire management. In no phase of the race was Vettel quick thru T3 at all. Hence, they will be in heap of trouble at Silverstone, even despite the slightly modified tire I'd say.

Right, Well, it's a good idea Rony, but really not enough racers I'd dare to think. I guess I'll be missing the first round.

There we go.

I can't even be bothered anymore. Check your inbox.

Hamilton Passed Webber in last laps of Bahrain. Webber passed him back. Then Hamilton passed him in last lap!!!!!!!! Just to name one example that you're 100% wrong. I'm getting sick of arguing with you. You no longer deserve me sharing anything intelligent with you Mustafur. You've officially become worse than BlueFlame.

And that's exactly why it's so interesting. There's hardly any sport out there where player has to be committed to it for that long of a period constantly on the edge with just few straights here and there to rest for few seconds. F1 driver on 50% of his capabilities does way more than great majority of all other sportsmen do in their field of expertize. Every game is about strategy if you take a closer look. Every team has strategies etc. etc. and still take Force India car this year and go bash it out you'll have no problem, car manages tires itself by design. In Mercedes you have to manage it, because car is incapable of doing that for you at the moment. It's fascinating how much thought is behind this mustafur.

I'm not fan of F1 by accident mate. It's absolutely the pinacle, the best of the best in something I love and that is why I'm trying to show you a deeper level of understanding, since it's necessary in such a complicated sport. Else, you just end up with complaints about things of things instead of perhaps admiring great work the Ferrari crew has done with their car this year compared to RedBull, who hasn't moved a step since last year.

It's a shame this announced tires change after Canada. Ferrari, Lotus and especially Force India have worked really hard in finding the perfect balance in their car, via suspension geometry, setups and other things to be in perfect thermal area of 2013 Pirelli tire. It's greatly unfair to widen that narrow operating window to allow other teams to exploit temperatures which are basically not allowed. Even in LFS the operating window in temperature range is generally tight and it's something as normal as that. It's just the consequence of tire war that teams got used on having it easy mate and that's why we now have all this misunderstandings going on.

F1 has many, many times gone backwards in the past to allow the racing to become closer, ergo more competitive and more attractive. If there were only few rules and teams were never stopped from going forward, everyone would be running V12 engines, going 400kmh on Monza and driving 3 meter wide cars with such grip the best of tires would probably be as F1's ordered tire today is. The point is, it would cost unimaginable amount of money and there wouldn't be racing, we'd be watching business. So, there are few steps back from perfection to give us racing from that.

Even in pure racing, there are strategies how you overtake someone, or defend from someone. I'm sorry, but stating things as you did just makes me thing all thru this tread that you wish to ignore everything that has been kindly given to you here in terms of knowledge to stick with your entry fan levels of knowledge in order just to be different and to argue with basically, everyone here. Mate, I strongly suggest you not to state things way out of your range with attitude I don't really follow this sport.

You follow football. It's the biggest game of chess on planet that. It's just that the board is not black and yellow, it's completely green, how about that.

Quote from Mustafur :

Trying to make tyres as bad as possible to stop people winning sounds more like WWE then competition to me.

Teams shouldn't be punished for being better.

Ok. You're clearly a RedBull fan. The statement was at end of last season that this seasons tires will be slightly more prone to degradation to improve the show, because everyone adjusted to diffuser ban and everything became boring procession in most of last races in last season.
So, they did exactly that. Worsen the tires ever so slightly from already bad tires and that's that. They've now hit the limit how bad they can be and every single team could have predicted this before season started, and your RedBull group of whinners about how it's only to stop them bla bla bla bla blaaaaa, exactly knew this was happening.
I tell you, even when they so to say 'improve' the tires, majority of races will still be 3 stoppers as the summer looms and RedBull will still not be dominant, because the level of grip available to them will be on Malaysia level and Alonso won't be taken out every single race.
Asian tracks suit them and you can see where that is going then. If they whine again to change tires before that part of season, then something is really wrong with F1 politics.

Quote from Mustafur :

If Redbull have the fastest package you should see a second half domination like last year once they understood the tyres.

Pirelli was more conservative in second half of the season last year after in order to please the whiners, much like this year, Pirelli changed the tires. And it all stinks too much as if it's going back in that way. Personally 3 pitstops should be minimum on high-speed tracks and RedBull should develop their car, not whine into 4th straight title. arrrrr

Quote from ChristijaNL :

Mercedes is close to a solution. All they got to do is give NIKI a call, he seems to have it all figured out.

This is what I'll tell them.
Just make some airflow ingredients somehow to make the air put more stress to rear wing (something thats still allowed in rules, something that looks like 2008 car, perhaps a pod for air direction next to sidepods that i had seen in some cars, or small winglets behind the mirrors in some other cars) and design rear wing in such way to make car understeer little bit more with more load it puts in rear wing and overall u have more downforce and as consequence u use front tires more and rear tires slightly less, which would make you go 0.5 quicker in race and you can take down rear blowing a little bit, which makes tires have easier life and you still go 0.5 a lap quicker in race on merit. Take 3-4 races to test different things to help out with this and viola.
How hard can it be?

Quote from PhilS13 :

You might wanna enligthen JB with your great understanding cause it seems he doesn't get it either

JB's really become a cry-baby this year. May Perez own the shizz out of him like in Bahrain and may JB never defend again. No, really I told you which drivers are prone to whining at the moment, how the strategies work and how you can put the things to get bigger and better perspective of things. So why don't you just go and re-read the thread a little bit.

Quote from dawesdust_12 :

@Lotus and whoelse:They've learned how to adapt and drive within the limits of the tyres. Ultimately your tyres dictate how fast you can and can't go. If some teams/drivers can't adapt, then they deserve to lose.

kudos

Mustafur will understand everything I told him one day.

Quote from PMD9409 :

When he was at the back of the grid sure, but he made his way back to 8th without the use of DRS at all. Sure, he wouldn't be able to easily get by if it were a 1st/2nd battle, but isn't that what some want? An actual "battle" and not just a DRS fly-by? Strategies will always be different with these tires, so the different speeds from nearly all cars would help in creating overtaking opportunities. That's my reason in saying DRS being dropped could produce much better 'racing'.

Strategies aren't having that much variety.
Check top overtakes of 2012 and you'll see fly by's are no where near a majority as 99% of people suggest in their panic attacks.

And I mean just how many times even with DRS the chaser never got a chance to get even along side. We tend to forget that.
DRS system has it's flaws, but I can accept them because what it brings on the other spectrum is so much better.

Fly by's really only happen when someone is hugely off pace or has shit load small top speed or you're at SPA where you can overtake with 2008 spec car with no problem.

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Quote from Mustafur :

Im not going to continue any further, your nose is too far up your own you know what to understand anything apart from what your View is.

You're talking about yourself there, not me.

I was against DRS at first too until I realized how actually bad the racing was and how the wings change didn't work at all even when diffusers got finally banned.

DRS is absolutely necessary. And it's about time for everyone who appreciates F1 to accept that in order to remove negativity and start enjoying the racing and be entertained once again.

I already explained to you that middle ground doesn't exist. And you keep pushing your view about middle ground without even stating what it is. I'm rather trying to show you a thing or two here, instead of negating everything you say.

The one thing that would be cool is to bring back normal looking F1 wings on cars since with either wings gap between the cars is 0.45sec. Hence, I don't see any point in cars looking as ugly as they do at the moment when dirty air works about the same. If drivers were able to come to 0.25sec to car ahead with this remodeled overtake wings we wouldn't be having this argument here and DRS would have never even existed. Read the facts, make a big picture for yourself before going to negate something as clear as this is.

I read an interesting article the other day how pole position was introduced and how at first it felt a little bit artificial. In this day and age it's absolutely the most normal thing to have qualifying and noone can imagine racing without it. DRS should be embraced in similar fashion in high downforce race-cars such as F1 and DTM. We're honored here that we started to witness the new era of something to last for decades at least and this is why I'm pushing on this point. You need to open your eyes to that or else you'll be grumpy in four years time again complaining about the same old thing being unable to enjoy something that you love.

Sure as hell you don't want that and sure as hell you need to educate yourself or allow yourself to be educated.

P.S. @PMD: Interesting point, but I think he was racing people around 1second slower than he was rather than 0.5sec slower than him or even closer to his pace. :S

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Wait I think I understand your point. You want to completely erase all this : BBC's best overtakes of 2012 (some in early laps, some DRS, some out of DRS zones but helped by DRS enabling chaser to stay close) just to see someone who is two seconds slower than he should be have a chance at defending his position. Yea, makes sense since you're probably 2 seconds off pace in LFS too. I know, compassion right.

Quote from Mustafur :

I have opened my eyes, im past the stage of: "WOW overtaking is possible!!!!" and now im looking into detail whats really happening, i know it takes some people longer then others to see some things but damn if you dont get it now i dont think you ever will.

Im looking at this from a drivers point of view, the only point of view that matters when talking about actual racing, the defending car at best really only gets one move to stake their claim to defend but tyre management will always come before defending.

Ok then tell me what you're talking. I haven't seen you say a word about it.